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Human rights commission seeks divorce for 12 year old girl

Posted in child abuse,child bride,Islam,politics,religion,Saudi Arabia,The Evil that Men do,women by Save the Women! on February 8, 2010

The story:

A saudi man sells his twelve young little daughter to an 80 year old pedophile cousin. The girls mother tries to save her little girl and starts a lawsuit. After the second hearing she suddenly withdraws, and the girl also seems to give in to her horrible fate.
Now I can only imagine what horrible threats and blackmail has been levied at the girl and her mother to make them give in. But now, for the first time the saudi human rights commission intervenes into what is, and has always been, regarded as a ”family affair”. The saudi  human rights commission has filed for the divorce of the twelve year old girl.

Is this Islam?

These unequal marriages are not unusual in the kingdom. This girls family comes from the conservative Part of saudi arabia, the area near Riyad.  A conservative town called buraidah.
With ”conservative” I mean even more conservative.
She was sold by her father for the price of 85.000 Riyals. Sold because he kept the money for himself. In Islam the dowry is a payment for sexual access, and should be the property of the woman absolutely. In Islam fathers or husbands or brothers cannot touch a woman’s property. But in real practise of Islam this is dfferent.

The child herself has no say in the matter. The mother has no rights, so cannot stop it. In Islam a marriage can only be made with the consent of the woman. It is clear this little girl does not want to be married to the octogenarian. But her opinion carries no weight.

So no. This is not a marriage which should be sanctioned under Islam.

The media

The saudi media, and in result the world press, are reporting this case. These cases are being reported in the media more and more. This is fairly recent. This is very important. This means that some of the men high up allow this to be reported.
This is really important: the men in power allow this to be reported so may be, there is finally going to be some change.

The saudi people

This also reflects that many saudi people are against these practises. Family affairs are considered extremely private in the kingdom, but the saudi people do not want these unequal matches so much: that the unwritten rule of absolute silence in these matters is being broken.
Saudi people will sacrifice a lot to the cause of the just. There are many activists who risk imprisonement  for the cause of helping those in need.

I am feeling optimistic:

things are getting better. Let’s hope this girl will get her freedom back. Let’s hope she will get an education and a future. Let’s hope she will get a good husband who is not only good but also of a reasonable matching age.

Coupling in the West versus coupling in Islam

Posted in politics,relations with Saudi men,religion,Uncategorized,women by Save the Women! on February 6, 2010
This post is necessarily generalised.


In discussion on the web, and on this blog too, some commentators like to change the topic of the discussion by stating statistics about children born out of wedlock in the west, or people having extra marital affairs etc. This is to ”prove” that polygamy is better. And that Islam has a better solution to men’s ”legitimate” desire for multiple sex partners.

Lets get things into perspective.

  • First the situation in the west.
  • Second the situation in Islam,
  • And third a conclusion.

We can’t look at statistics because while western countries love statistics and have statistics on every little issue, Islamic  countries have very few statistics and those they do have are unreliable.

So let’s see, apart from the different religions most countries in the west and more specifically Europe is generally quite relaxed about young people experimenting with sex. And why not. I do not see why people should get riled up about two consenting partners having sex.  As long as both are consenting, both are responsible about contraceptives and eventual std’s I do not see what is so wrong about having sex. Especially not when you compare it with real crimes like rape, murder, etc.

”Coupling” and or having children in the west

(mostly north west Europe ’cause that’s where I’m from) , a list of the possibilities

  • single parent (because of accident, carelessness, rape)
  • single parent (out of choice, a personal decision)
  • single parent (divorce or death of other parent)
  • marriage, registrar
  • marriage, religious (coupled with registrar)
  • relationship contract
  • Co-habitation
  • ”open relationship” both partners agree to have other sex partners outside the relation (usually ends badly)
  • Men and women are equal partners in marriage
  • a couple meets, dates, gets engaged, and generally has lots of time to see if they are compatible
  • both men or women can instigate divorce
  • marriage is restricted to two partners only
  • there is a minimum age, usually 18 dispensation can be given by a judge if he considers the partners mature enough
  • a womans personal and public consent is absolutely necessary, nobody can give consent for her
  • un-consensual sex is regarded as rape, also in marriage
  • neither spouse is allowed to beat up the other
  • both partners remain legal persons in their own right
  • having children, and how many, is usually a well planned decision,  and  a lot of people wait a few years before they start having them

In case of divorce:

  • both parents share financial responsibilities for each other
  • both parents share financial responsibility for the children
  • unless contractually different, all assets are divided equally
  • Children usually remain with the mother both parents can agree to any other division.
  • the other parent always has visitation rights
  • Children can choose which parent they want to live with, the childs preference will be given great weight in court

People think very seriously about which way the want to live together. And make an informed decision. In my country many couple live together for a few years before they decide to marry. Some women are very clear in that they do want children but not a man. As long as single parents look after their children well I don’t see why not.

What all forms of relationships, except the ”open relationship” have in common that the partners are expected to be faithful and loyal to each other. In an open relationship two people have bonded but have made an understanding that both can have other sex-partners. These relationships very often end in misery because usually one of the couple isn’t happy with this agreement.

”Cheating” is regarded as a very bad thing. It is generally regarded as betrayal of trust.  So whatever your chosen form of bonding, people who ”cheat” have to keep it very secret. When they are found out everybody in their surroundings will be disgusted. Divorce may result, but also social repercussions.

In the west the one man one woman scenario is considered the norm and cheating is considered a very bad thing to do.
Now divorce is accepted quite easily. Marriage, or any other form of bonding, is supposed to be forever. But most people share the opinion that if a couple is unhappy together that they should split up and start afresh with somebody else. It has also been proven that this is much better for the children.

The conclusion is that people bond in different ways according to their own believes and wishes. And they have the freedom to do so. They are also free to split up if the relationship doesn’t work anymore. Cheating is always regarded as very bad.

Coupling in Islamic countries

(mostly saudi arabia ’cause that’s where my hubby comes from)
(these are not all stricktly Islamic rules, but they are the rules as practised in saudi arabia and in part in many other Islamic countries. These are the realities muslim women have to deal with)

  • Islamic marriage
  • Mutah marriage (temporary marriage)
  • Misyaar marriage (no obligations at all for the man, woman has to provide sex. A man can have as many misyaar marriages next to his official marriages as he likes, a woman can have only one misyaar marriage)
  • marriage consists of a contract
  • men pay a dowry for sexual access
  • a woman’s consent is nominal: her guardian can accept for her
  • there is no minimum age, 1 year old babies can officially be married off
  • a man can have up to four wives
  • a muslim man can rape all who ”belong to his right hand” aka slaves. This translates nowadays in saudi into foreign maids
  • a man can divorce any wife to make room for a new one
  • a man can marry multiple wives without consent of or even telling his other wives. This is frequently done
  • a woman has to provide sex whenever the man wants it; there is no concept of rape within marriage
  • a husband is allowed to beat up his wife,
  • children are the main goal of marriage, as sson and as many as possible
  • marriag is arranged by the family. Sometimes the couple are allowed to meet a few times and talk, sometimes they meet only once, and sometimes they never see each other until they sign the contract.
  • A woman in saudi is a legal minor. her husband, is her ”mahram” or guardian. He can: lock her up in the house, deny her education, deny her medical treatment, deny her communication devices, etc. Without a written consent of her guardian woman is not allowed to travel in saudi. Of course he can always allow her these things but that depends on the man.

in case of divorce:

  • a man can divorce a woman by simply saying so out loud
  • a woman needs a court judge to agree to give her divorce.
  • a woman is usually blackmailed to pay back her dowry even though the man has had the sex
  • a woman is often blackmailed to buy her husband off
  • a judge has to be bribed in saudi to give a woman her divorce
  • the man keeps the children. Because children are the ”property” of the man
  • except for three months maintenance a woman has no right for support after divorce
  • the mother is alowed to look after the children until a certain age, after that the father can take them away
  • fathers commonly blackmail the women to keep them from marrying another man by threatening to take the children away
  • a woman has no visiting rights to her children
  • a foreign woman will be deported from saudi if she is divorced, unless she has a job and finds another sponsor

In Islam there are other marriage options: mutah or misyaar. A mutah marriage is for a specified time. It is done in shiat communities For a year or a night, any time is allowed.  It is sanctioned by an imam and therefore halal. In reality it is of course prostitution, or a cover for the style of relationships which are openly done in western countries.
In sunnah it is misyaar, in which the woman is like a mistress. She has no rights, but the man has rights of sex with her. Usually a dowry is payed which makes the connection with prostitution clear. He may or may not provide her with a home. He has no responsibillities for any children which may result. It is used as a mistress- or western-style relationship. Except that, again, a man can contract as many misyaar marriages as he likes or can afford. The woman cannot. A man does not have to inform his other wife/wives.

Conclusion:

There are a few other differences:
In the west you don’t get tortured or killed if you experiment with sex as a youngster. (unless your family is very fundamentalist Islamic) In the west you don’t get tortured and imprisoned if you get raped. In the west you are not stigmatised if you are an unmarried mother. You don’t get stoned or imprisoned if you are an unmarried mother. In Islam a woman is considered ”’used goods” when she has had sex and is thereafter pretty worthless. In saudi almost her only option is becoming a second, third or fourth wife, or Misyaar marriage. Or remain single.  This is not so in the west: a non-virgin woman still has all options open to her. Nobody expects women of a certain age never to have had sex. And nobody minds.
In saudi many men go to other countries to have sex with prostitutes as a common holiday destination. This happens but is rare in the west.

In an islamic marriage the wife, or wives, even if they are only misyaar wives, are expected to be absolutely faithful and obedient. Men however are allowed many different ways of collecting many different sex-partners. From other wives, to misyaar ot mutah ”wives” to having prostitutes. The concept of ”being faithful” is so stretched as to become meaningless.
Tell me: how is this better than a western marriage or relation?

There is no real safety for a woman in an Islamic marriage.
In a western marriage the wife can expect protection by the law. If the wife is in a bad marriage she can get out and get support from the court. A wife can claim alimony for herself and her children. A mother can keep her children, or have visitation right and the court will back her up.  In a western marriage the man cannot divorce his wive on a whim and by merely saying it. He has to go to court just as the wife has. There is no bias from judges to favour the men.
Assets of the marriage are divided equally. In an islamic marriage the wife gets nothing. None of the things she brought with her own mnoney are hers unless she has written proof.
Tell me how can anybody claim an Islamic marriage be better for women?

And a very important point, brought up by a recent comment on my blog: If there are single parents in the west who look after their children and educate them.
How is that worse than what happens in Islam?
What happens  in Islam is there are many instances of men having more wives and more than 10 children and  they have no money to provide for or to educate them.
How can that be better as an unmarried woman who does provide for and educate her child???
What about the men who, without feeling, divorce their wives to clear a slot for a new wife?
Some men have had 30 wives this way. That means 26 women thrown on the streets to be supported by their families or fend for themselves. Maybe they keep the children but the women are turned out without any means of support. And being used goods the only option they have is becoming a burden on their own family or submit to the denigrating job of being a second wife of a even a misyaar wife. (Having to provide sex, but with none of the few rights a wife has.)
How about octogenarian muslim men who marry 12 year old children, and beget children with these girls (if they survive) and then die leaving an underage, uneducated poverty stricken widow with children and no means of support and to educate them?
Except if his family take the children as their ”property” and leave her all alone and with the added  grief for the loss of her children?
What is so superior about that?

Susie of Arabia has written this excellent post about marriage in Saudi Arabia

The French and faceveils

Posted in Islam,politics,women by Save the Women! on February 5, 2010

So the French have voted unanimous that facecovering is not welcome in France, and of course the Islamic world is making a huge outcry about how it and how awful it is, and how it is a violation of women’s rights bla, bla.

Why shouldn’t the French make a statement about disliking hijab and niqaab? Niqaab is oppressive and unpleasant. It is a threat to security. Why the hell should a woman be allowed to walk around in disguise while men are not allowed to keep helmets on etc?
The French still believe in the concepts of their eighteenth century revolution: Liberté, Egalité and Fraternité. It is still the guiding light of French society. And Hijab and face covering conflicts absolutely to all three of these ideals.

So I think The French have every right to ban faceveils and even hijab whenever, and where ever they want.

Just as other countries have done. Germany forbids hiding the face in some places.Holland has a law forbidding face veils in schools. Turkey has restrictions on hijab. Tunesia has laws against hijab inside state run bodies, and there is no niqaab at all in Tunesia.  Tunesia is great: in court men and women are equal, polygamy is banished, women can be judges (big thing in the Islamic world) Of course Tunesia is being branded as an evil devellish country in the Arabic media.
My point is, France is not the only, and certainly not the first country.

And I don’t buy the claim that veiling is a human right. I think not veiling is a human right too.

And I don’t buy the claim that it is religion because veiling is not in the quran. And also I don’t think that everybody should back down as some as some idiot plays ”the Religious Card” to push their preferences through. To me religion does not deserve special consideration. It deserves special suspicion.

God’s punishment

Posted in child abuse,child bride,Islam,rape,religion,The Evil that Men do,women by Save the Women! on February 3, 2010

The difference between logical and scientific thought and religious thought is that science tries to find a reason.
Religion is far easier and less work: God wills it so. And if you suffer it is either God giving you a trial to make you a better person. Or, if you are more dark in your outlook: It is God wanting to punish you!

Because God loves people suffering he punishes a lot, and just in case you do not deserve being punished He makes sure that you are born a woman The male scholars tell us that God has put far more restrictions on women as on men. He  has placed enough restrictions in women’s life to make it hell on Earth.
The only women who have escaped this are the true believers. The women who delight in suffering for God. The women who find a masochistic pleasure in suffering for god. And this pleasure is enhanced by the comfortable feeling of being so much better, so much superior as everybody else.

One example is total obedience to your husband. Which would expand to your children. Which means that if your husband decides to sell marry your eleven year old little girl to an octogenarian pedophile, you submit. And you make sure your daughter submits because that is what Islam is all about. Submission.

If your daughter is then raped and dies nine months later while her tiny immature body tries to deliver a baby which it is not ready for then there are two explanations.

  1. the scientific explanation: A girl so young should never be considered ”ready for marriage” A girl that young is not full-grown. While she might have her menses, her body is not yet strong enough to carry and deliver a baby. (we are leaving the developement of her mind and her schooling out)
  2. the religious explanation: God punishes you for being so stupid and greedy to sell marry a girl who is way too young into bondage sexual slavery marriage. God punishes you for being a pedophile and not being able to keep you old hands off a little girl. Punishes you by letting her baby die or be born damaged, or by killing the little girl, or by killing both the little girl and the baby.

The other example is the gender specific hell of total covering. Despite God having designed our bodies. The clerics tell us He thinks we are so shameful we have to be covered to every inch of our bodies. Because He has also designed men to be weak stupid sexually obsessed pigs. Who cannot control themselves, (and cannot be taken to account) when the poor weak creatures are confonted with the sexual allure of hair, a face, bare arms, or hands, Two eyes, etc.

So it’s a woman’s jihad to suffer in layers of black cloth. Black.

Because to increase the suffering God has decreed (according to the scholars) all women should wear black outer tents. Now with the suffering comes a comfort. the comfort of superiority you feel when you contemplate you are a hidden pearl and sooooooo much superior as the whores who do show their hands and feet and eyes.
Now full veiling has its costs besides feeling sick, have your breathing restricted, not being able to see and being cut off from the world and being reduced to a non-entity. The costs are health. Because you are deprived of sunlight you are deprived of vitamin D which will make your bones brittle in old age, and cause you more suffering. But it will also increase the chance of your children being born malformed and diseased with rickets. Rickets is a horrible disease which is on the rise as more and more women are forced by religion to cover. A horrible disease which will cause unimaginable suffering in your children.

Rickets deform the bones and the spine.
It is a deficiency disease.  So a disease which is preventable. It was also a disease of ignorance and poverty. This disease has been abolished since a long time in the west.  That is, until Islamic veiling came to the west. Now it is back.  You can easily prevent rickets by getting enough sunlight on your skin for your body to make enough vitamin D to keep you healthy. And to enable your body to produce a healthy child. Children who are kept out of the sun will also develop rickets, even if they seemed healthy when born.

Now there are two explanations as to why the increase of the birth of children debilitated with rickets:

  1. Science: The human body needs an adequate amount of sunlight on the skin to enable it to make the vitamin which is essential for keeping your bones strong, and for producing healthy children. Lack of sunlight results in osteoporosis, and babies being born with rickets.
  2. Religion: God has made your body to need the vital influence of sunlight onto your skin. So the idea of total covering and veiling never was God’s idea. It was God’s idea that you should show enough bare skin to the sun so as to keep you healthy.
    The sad cases of rickets being on the rise is God’s punishment for being so stupid as to cover yourself completely with black cloth and never get out of doors in Gods nature. Feeling God’s sun on your kin. Feeling God’s wind on your skin.

Blogger Hikari reminded me of the idea that marrying little girls is also against God’s wishes. As demonstrated by the horrble suffering it induces.