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Witches, black magic and superstitions in Saudi Arabia.

Posted in Islam,religion,religious police,Saudi Arabia,Uncategorized by Save the Women! on December 28, 2011

Witch hunts are not a thing from the past? Not in the kingdom! They still find and kill witches here!!! As in the dark ages of Europe  the charges are often made up, or the so called withces are just simple tricksters.

Saudi Arabia is a very religious country so superstition and believes in witch craft is still fully alive here. Many tricksters make up potions and claim to have ”magic” powers. \And many people believe them and pay them lots of money. It pays off to claim magical powers. It is typical that in the kingdomthe witches who are caught and beheaded will be women or foreigners. That does not mean that there are not saudi men who claim to be magical but if they have enough important customers they will keep them out of harm.



It is scary to live in a country where people really belive witches exist. \And where they really have witch trials and kill people for something so silly. Not only do people here really believe in witches, they also believe in spirists called Jinn. the Jinn arein the Quran, because Mohammed believed in them and so they must exist.

Also people believe in the ”evile eye”. And they are always worried that jelous people will send them the evil eye or bewitch them.

It is very important you nevr praise anthing, especially not children, without putting many mashallah’s in between your sentences. Otherwise you will force your friends or family to give you the object you admire so that you won’t curse them. Or they will have to spend a lot of time praying to protect themselves and their children fom your evileye.
I am very insulted by this. But superstition is so strong and if you want to keep people around you happy you must remember to always put mashallah behind every sentence you utter to praise.

From the news:

An accused witch, Amina bint Abdulhalim Nassar, was beheaded in Saudi Arabia earlier this week. She had been convicted of practicing “witchcraft and sorcery,” according to the Saudi Interior Ministry. Such a crime is a capital offense in Saudi Arabia, and so Nassar was sentenced to death. Nassar’s sentence was appealed — and upheld — by the Saudi Supreme Judicial Council.

Nassar, who claimed to be a healer and mystic, was arrested after authorities reportedly found a variety of occult items in her possession, including herbs, glass bottles of “an unknown liquid used for sorcery,” and a book on witchcraft. According to a police spokesman, Nassar had also falsely promised miracle healings and cures, charging ill clients as much as $800 for her services.
The woman was the second person to be executed for witchcraft in Saudi Arabia this year. A Sudanese man was executed in September.

The most prominent witchcraft case came in 2008, when a Saudi court slapped a death sentence on Ali Sabat, a Lebanese television personality on a religious pilgrimage to Medina, for making psychic predictions on a Lebanon-based satellite channel (the picture above shows Lebanese human rights activists fashioning a mock gallows outside the Saudi embassy in Beirut to demand Sabat’s release). Sabat’s lawyer told NPR that the Saudi religious police arrested Sabat after recognizing him from television and pressured him to confess to violating Islam if he hoped to return

a look at the kingdom’s past witchcraft cases suggests the bar for proving someone guilty isn’t very high. Witch hunting is fairly institutionalized in Saudi Arabia, with the country’s religious police running an Anti-Witchcraft Unit and a sorcery hotline to combat practices like astrology and fortune telling that are considered un-Islamic. they even have a hotline you can call to turn somebody you don’t like in to the police.

The Anti-Witchcraft Unit was created in order to educate the public about the danger of sorcerers and “combat manifestations of polytheism and reliance on other Gods,” the Saudi Press Agency (SPA) reported.

The belief in sorcery is so widespread in Saudi Arabia, that it is even used as a defense in criminal court cases. Last October, a judge accused of receiving bribes in a real-estate project told a court in Madinah that he had been bewitched and is undergoing treatment by Quranic incantations, known as ruqiyah, a common remedy for the evil eye.

In an interview the cartoonist Jaber noted, that most sorcerers both inside and outside the kingdom were charlatans that take advantage of illiterate citizens who believed they were afflicted by the evil eye. He said that such beliefs were more prevalent among older, rural and often illiterate individuals than with younger, educated Saudis.
“A while ago my arm was hurt and I couldn’t draw,” the cartoonist said. “Many older people told me that I must have been afflicted by the evil eye and should be treated by a Sheikh.” (so if a sheikh does magic it’s suddenly ok?)
“It’s a matter of ignorance,” Jaber added. “If people were more educated they wouldn’t believe in this.”

The evidence arrayed against witchcraft suspects typically revolves around statements from accusers and suspicious personal belongings that suggest the supernatural, in a country where superstition is still widespread. In 2006, for example, an Eritrean national was imprisoned and lashed hundreds of times for “charlatanry” after prosecutors argued that his leather-bound personal phone booklet with writings in the Tigrinya alphabet was a “talisman.”

A year later, Saudi authorities beheaded an Egyptian pharmacist who had been accused by neighbors of casting spells to separate a man from his wife and placing Korans in mosque bathrooms. “He confessed to adultery with a woman and desecrating the Koran by placing it in the bathroom,” the Saudi Press Agency reported, adding that books on black magic, a candle with an incantation “to summon devils,” and “foul-smelling herbs” had been found in the pharmacist’s home.

The cases against alleged witches also frequently involve sting operations conducted by religious police. According to Amnesty International, a Sudanese migrant named Abdul Hamid bin Hussein Moustafa al-Fakki — executed in Medina in September for “sorcery” — was first arrested in 2005 when an undercover agent for the religious police asked him to produce a spell that would cause the man’s father to leave his second wife, which al-Fakki allegedly offered to do for $1,600. The Saudi Gazette tells a story of a female religious police agent who entrapped an elusive witch by expressing a desire for her husband to be turned into an “unquestioning obedient man.”

There’s evidence that the cases may involve coerced confessions and miscarriages of justice as well. Human Rights Watch chronicles the plight of an illiterate Saudi woman named Fawza Falih who was beaten, forced to fingerprint a confession that she could not read, tried without a lawyer, and sentenced to death for “witchcraft, recourse to jinn [supernatural beings], and slaughter” of animals after a man accused Falih of rendering him impotent and authorities found a “foul-smelling substance,” a white robe with money inside it, and another robe hanging from a tree in or near her home.

There is no codified law in saudi arabia and judges can make up punishments as they like.


I have been unwell

Posted in Uncategorized by Save the Women! on June 28, 2011

I have been unwell and have not been on my blog or mail.

I want to apologise for all tardy mails and answers.

Free Samar!

Posted in Uncategorized by Save the Women! on October 19, 2010

Samar Badawi is a Saudi women who has done nothing wrong in any way. Her only problem is a father who dislikes her, and a judicial system which is not based on laws, but on the personal opinions of a judge.

Samars father abused her physically and mentally. She married, had a son, but her husband also beat her up and she managed to divorce him. (Of itself this is quite an achievement in Saudi )

She is now imprisoned indefinitely for the crime of ”disobedience to her father”.
There are a lot of Saudi people who are upset by this unfair treatment and are trying everything in their power to help this woman.
The best thing they can do is make this case as public as possible.
In the end it will probably have to be some royal or the king who can issue a release for her.

This is what Saudi Jeans wrote about this case:

Samar Badawi has always struggled with her father. He abused her verbally and physically, and even after she got married and had a son of her own, he kept interfering with her life. She got divorced, and decided to live with her brother. The father tried to sue his son and daughter, who was taken to a women’s shelter thanks to an order from Prince Mishal bin Majed, the mayor of Jeddah.

The father did not stop there. He tried to sue Samar again, but the case was dismissed. After staying in the shelter for sixteen months, she sent a letter to the mayor asking for permission to live with her son. The mayor accepted her request, and asked the police to protect her from the father.

Samar filed a lawsuit to lift her father’s guardianship, and the court ruled in her favor. The father filed a “filial ingratitude” complaint against her. When she went to challenge the complaint, “the judge pledged to teach her obedience and flog her himself.” Despite the previous court rulings and her father’s documented abuse, and even a royal order from Prince Khalid al-Faisal, governor of Makkah, to send her back to the shelter, the judge sent her to prison.

Samar told the Financial Times that the judge thinks a woman must submit to her father, regardless of how abusive he is. “Conservative judges hate the government’s women’s shelters because they empower women. They call them brothels,” she said.

This was six months ago. It was only last week that Samar and her lawyer decided to go public with the case. Since the local newspapers won’t pick up a sensitive story like this one, they went online. With help of fellow blogger Fouad al-Farhan, they set up a blog where they told Samar’s story and uploaded all the documents of her case. The case was also heavily discussed on Twitter, where users in Saudi Arabia used the hashtag #samar to denote their tweets about it.

While Samar enjoyed a lot of support from most users on Twitter, there have been some people who defended the judge, saying the case is being used to attack the Saudi judicial system. Moreover, a blog was to “basically show how the people responsible for the news breakout are not credible, liberal westernizers,” according Lou K.

Earlier today, Samar’s lawyer Waleed Abu Alkhair tweeted that the Supreme Judicial Council has opened an investigation into the case, anticipating a resolution in the next few days.

Samar’s story is undoubtedly a disturbing, heartbreaking one. It’s surely nor over yet, but now that the case is — I hope — moving forward, let me take a moment to say two of things about this:

  • The case shows that despite all the promises and the billions of riyals allocated to reform the judiciary system, we are still so far away from anywhere near a true reform for this institution. It’s been three years, and we are yet to see any tangible progress.
  • While many people still like to question the power of web and social media to make a difference to our society, this case offers a good evidence that the influence of online tools can be effective. Remember, the story was not picked up by any newspaper in Saudi Arabia so far.

I salute Fouad, Waleed and the others who supported this case. It fills my heart with hope to see many of my countrymen and women speak up and refuse to ignore injustice. Our nation deserves better than this, and we should never settle for less.

Saudi judges come from Sharia schools. Sharia schools takes the men with the lowest grades in the country. If your grades are too low for any decent study your last option is Sharia school. These men then become judges. Saudi has virtually no codified system of  law. There is no jurisprudence in Saudi.

A saudi judge makes up any punishment he likes, based on his personal likes and dislikes. They generally do not like women. They do like bribes. They also really like to hand out lashings.

This is also something western women need to realise when they marry saudi men and go to live in saudi. You will be at the complete merci of the man who owns you by law. if you are treated badly, if you are abused and beaten, if your daughter is married off to an old man at 8 years, if you rae being kept from visiting you family and friends, there is no one who will help you in any way. The law does not exist. A judge will almost always rule in favour of the man unless you have immense wasta and or bribe money.

Which title?

Posted in Uncategorized by Save the Women! on June 1, 2010

I keep switching themes. But I really like this one. So I think  this theme will stay.

But I have been experimenting with titles. I am not sure which title i like.
So this is a poll, please vote which title you like best.

which title is most appropriate?

1-Save the Women!


2-Reason over Religion

My You tube channel

Posted in Uncategorized by Save the Women! on May 25, 2010

I have my own You-tube channel. You can find it here

I mirrored this video. One does a mirror on you tube to keep it safe from other people wanting to get it removed.
You tube has removed this video from Nessrriinn’s channel. But you cannot stop reason on the internet.

Be sure to check out the other videos of this couragious poet, Nessrriinn

Coupling in the West versus coupling in Islam

Posted in politics,relations with Saudi men,religion,Uncategorized,women by Save the Women! on February 6, 2010
This post is necessarily generalised.

In discussion on the web, and on this blog too, some commentators like to change the topic of the discussion by stating statistics about children born out of wedlock in the west, or people having extra marital affairs etc. This is to ”prove” that polygamy is better. And that Islam has a better solution to men’s ”legitimate” desire for multiple sex partners.

Lets get things into perspective.

  • First the situation in the west.
  • Second the situation in Islam,
  • And third a conclusion.

We can’t look at statistics because while western countries love statistics and have statistics on every little issue, Islamic  countries have very few statistics and those they do have are unreliable.

So let’s see, apart from the different religions most countries in the west and more specifically Europe is generally quite relaxed about young people experimenting with sex. And why not. I do not see why people should get riled up about two consenting partners having sex.  As long as both are consenting, both are responsible about contraceptives and eventual std’s I do not see what is so wrong about having sex. Especially not when you compare it with real crimes like rape, murder, etc.

”Coupling” and or having children in the west

(mostly north west Europe ’cause that’s where I’m from) , a list of the possibilities

  • single parent (because of accident, carelessness, rape)
  • single parent (out of choice, a personal decision)
  • single parent (divorce or death of other parent)
  • marriage, registrar
  • marriage, religious (coupled with registrar)
  • relationship contract
  • Co-habitation
  • ”open relationship” both partners agree to have other sex partners outside the relation (usually ends badly)
  • Men and women are equal partners in marriage
  • a couple meets, dates, gets engaged, and generally has lots of time to see if they are compatible
  • both men or women can instigate divorce
  • marriage is restricted to two partners only
  • there is a minimum age, usually 18 dispensation can be given by a judge if he considers the partners mature enough
  • a womans personal and public consent is absolutely necessary, nobody can give consent for her
  • un-consensual sex is regarded as rape, also in marriage
  • neither spouse is allowed to beat up the other
  • both partners remain legal persons in their own right
  • having children, and how many, is usually a well planned decision,  and  a lot of people wait a few years before they start having them

In case of divorce:

  • both parents share financial responsibilities for each other
  • both parents share financial responsibility for the children
  • unless contractually different, all assets are divided equally
  • Children usually remain with the mother both parents can agree to any other division.
  • the other parent always has visitation rights
  • Children can choose which parent they want to live with, the childs preference will be given great weight in court

People think very seriously about which way the want to live together. And make an informed decision. In my country many couple live together for a few years before they decide to marry. Some women are very clear in that they do want children but not a man. As long as single parents look after their children well I don’t see why not.

What all forms of relationships, except the ”open relationship” have in common that the partners are expected to be faithful and loyal to each other. In an open relationship two people have bonded but have made an understanding that both can have other sex-partners. These relationships very often end in misery because usually one of the couple isn’t happy with this agreement.

”Cheating” is regarded as a very bad thing. It is generally regarded as betrayal of trust.  So whatever your chosen form of bonding, people who ”cheat” have to keep it very secret. When they are found out everybody in their surroundings will be disgusted. Divorce may result, but also social repercussions.

In the west the one man one woman scenario is considered the norm and cheating is considered a very bad thing to do.
Now divorce is accepted quite easily. Marriage, or any other form of bonding, is supposed to be forever. But most people share the opinion that if a couple is unhappy together that they should split up and start afresh with somebody else. It has also been proven that this is much better for the children.

The conclusion is that people bond in different ways according to their own believes and wishes. And they have the freedom to do so. They are also free to split up if the relationship doesn’t work anymore. Cheating is always regarded as very bad.

Coupling in Islamic countries

(mostly saudi arabia ’cause that’s where my hubby comes from)
(these are not all stricktly Islamic rules, but they are the rules as practised in saudi arabia and in part in many other Islamic countries. These are the realities muslim women have to deal with)

  • Islamic marriage
  • Mutah marriage (temporary marriage)
  • Misyaar marriage (no obligations at all for the man, woman has to provide sex. A man can have as many misyaar marriages next to his official marriages as he likes, a woman can have only one misyaar marriage)
  • marriage consists of a contract
  • men pay a dowry for sexual access
  • a woman’s consent is nominal: her guardian can accept for her
  • there is no minimum age, 1 year old babies can officially be married off
  • a man can have up to four wives
  • a muslim man can rape all who ”belong to his right hand” aka slaves. This translates nowadays in saudi into foreign maids
  • a man can divorce any wife to make room for a new one
  • a man can marry multiple wives without consent of or even telling his other wives. This is frequently done
  • a woman has to provide sex whenever the man wants it; there is no concept of rape within marriage
  • a husband is allowed to beat up his wife,
  • children are the main goal of marriage, as sson and as many as possible
  • marriag is arranged by the family. Sometimes the couple are allowed to meet a few times and talk, sometimes they meet only once, and sometimes they never see each other until they sign the contract.
  • A woman in saudi is a legal minor. her husband, is her ”mahram” or guardian. He can: lock her up in the house, deny her education, deny her medical treatment, deny her communication devices, etc. Without a written consent of her guardian woman is not allowed to travel in saudi. Of course he can always allow her these things but that depends on the man.

in case of divorce:

  • a man can divorce a woman by simply saying so out loud
  • a woman needs a court judge to agree to give her divorce.
  • a woman is usually blackmailed to pay back her dowry even though the man has had the sex
  • a woman is often blackmailed to buy her husband off
  • a judge has to be bribed in saudi to give a woman her divorce
  • the man keeps the children. Because children are the ”property” of the man
  • except for three months maintenance a woman has no right for support after divorce
  • the mother is alowed to look after the children until a certain age, after that the father can take them away
  • fathers commonly blackmail the women to keep them from marrying another man by threatening to take the children away
  • a woman has no visiting rights to her children
  • a foreign woman will be deported from saudi if she is divorced, unless she has a job and finds another sponsor

In Islam there are other marriage options: mutah or misyaar. A mutah marriage is for a specified time. It is done in shiat communities For a year or a night, any time is allowed.  It is sanctioned by an imam and therefore halal. In reality it is of course prostitution, or a cover for the style of relationships which are openly done in western countries.
In sunnah it is misyaar, in which the woman is like a mistress. She has no rights, but the man has rights of sex with her. Usually a dowry is payed which makes the connection with prostitution clear. He may or may not provide her with a home. He has no responsibillities for any children which may result. It is used as a mistress- or western-style relationship. Except that, again, a man can contract as many misyaar marriages as he likes or can afford. The woman cannot. A man does not have to inform his other wife/wives.


There are a few other differences:
In the west you don’t get tortured or killed if you experiment with sex as a youngster. (unless your family is very fundamentalist Islamic) In the west you don’t get tortured and imprisoned if you get raped. In the west you are not stigmatised if you are an unmarried mother. You don’t get stoned or imprisoned if you are an unmarried mother. In Islam a woman is considered ”’used goods” when she has had sex and is thereafter pretty worthless. In saudi almost her only option is becoming a second, third or fourth wife, or Misyaar marriage. Or remain single.  This is not so in the west: a non-virgin woman still has all options open to her. Nobody expects women of a certain age never to have had sex. And nobody minds.
In saudi many men go to other countries to have sex with prostitutes as a common holiday destination. This happens but is rare in the west.

In an islamic marriage the wife, or wives, even if they are only misyaar wives, are expected to be absolutely faithful and obedient. Men however are allowed many different ways of collecting many different sex-partners. From other wives, to misyaar ot mutah ”wives” to having prostitutes. The concept of ”being faithful” is so stretched as to become meaningless.
Tell me: how is this better than a western marriage or relation?

There is no real safety for a woman in an Islamic marriage.
In a western marriage the wife can expect protection by the law. If the wife is in a bad marriage she can get out and get support from the court. A wife can claim alimony for herself and her children. A mother can keep her children, or have visitation right and the court will back her up.  In a western marriage the man cannot divorce his wive on a whim and by merely saying it. He has to go to court just as the wife has. There is no bias from judges to favour the men.
Assets of the marriage are divided equally. In an islamic marriage the wife gets nothing. None of the things she brought with her own mnoney are hers unless she has written proof.
Tell me how can anybody claim an Islamic marriage be better for women?

And a very important point, brought up by a recent comment on my blog: If there are single parents in the west who look after their children and educate them.
How is that worse than what happens in Islam?
What happens  in Islam is there are many instances of men having more wives and more than 10 children and  they have no money to provide for or to educate them.
How can that be better as an unmarried woman who does provide for and educate her child???
What about the men who, without feeling, divorce their wives to clear a slot for a new wife?
Some men have had 30 wives this way. That means 26 women thrown on the streets to be supported by their families or fend for themselves. Maybe they keep the children but the women are turned out without any means of support. And being used goods the only option they have is becoming a burden on their own family or submit to the denigrating job of being a second wife of a even a misyaar wife. (Having to provide sex, but with none of the few rights a wife has.)
How about octogenarian muslim men who marry 12 year old children, and beget children with these girls (if they survive) and then die leaving an underage, uneducated poverty stricken widow with children and no means of support and to educate them?
Except if his family take the children as their ”property” and leave her all alone and with the added  grief for the loss of her children?
What is so superior about that?

Susie of Arabia has written this excellent post about marriage in Saudi Arabia

Relationship with a Saudi man, the façade and the Family

Posted in relations with Saudi men,Saudi Arabia,Uncategorized,women by Save the Women! on January 9, 2010

2- The culture of façade:

In the middle  east nothing counts but how things look. If they look ok it is ok, no matter how bad the inside is.
This means that as long as the look is good anything rotten which goes on behind the walls is all right.

How does this affect a western woman meeting a saudi man?
It means that you really cannot ever rely on anything he tells you.

It means that you cannot rely on anything his friends or relatives tell you.

3- There is the Saudi family.

Make no mistake, the saudi Family is like a superclan. If you are not born into the clan you are never ever part of the clan. You will never be accepted as part of the clan. One of the reasons parents want their children to marry their cousins. They like to keep everything in the family. This is also the cause that many hereditary diseases are common and well established in Saudi Arabia: the inevitable result of many generations of in-breeding. A saudi woman who marries into another family will also not really be part of the clan; she belongs to another family, another clan. And when she is divorced it is expected that the other clan will take care of her. If the saudi woman’s clan is powerful they can protect her from to much ill-treatment. In the case of a foreign wife she is completely on  her own and without protection. If the wife is from another tribe she will be trusted less. If she is from an inferior tribe she will be despised. If she is foreign she will be deeply despised.
A family from the Hijaz might be more lenient towards a foreign wife, especially if the family is modern, has travelled, and has spend time abroad. But if the man has married the foreign wife without notifying his family, and without the blessing of the family, she stands a very poor chance of even the lowest level of acceptance.

Most foreign women do not realise how very important ”The Family” is in Saudi Arabia, and how much Saudi children are brought up to respect, honour and obey ”The Family”. A Saudi man will very rarely go against the wishes of ”The Family”. For a Saudi man the ”Family” will take precedence over his wife, who, unless she is a cousin, does not belong to ”the Family”, but to another ”Family” and is considered to give her allegiance to her own Family, not the husbands. She may therefore never be expected to belong to the husbands family. And again: in the case of a foreigner will never be trusted.

It is quite possible that a foreign wife will be treated very hospitable when coming to Saudi Arabia, bit as soon as the honours of hospitality have been paid, and the novelty wears off, she will mostly be neglected. She will certainly not been seen as a part of the ”Family” no matter how much she tries to conform. This mostly results in a very lonely existence for the foreign wife. In Saudi the wife is expected to have her own family to fall back on, and to protect her. In the case of a foreign woman, whose family is very far away and can do nothing for her, it means she stands alone.
If the wife isn’t fluent in Arabic the family will talk and gossip about her in her presence.
And if the Family doesn’t like her the foreign wife’s life will be hell. Really. Do not expect a Saudi man to stand up for his wife against his family, this is very rare indeed!

It matter very much if the Family is conservative or modern. In a conservative family a foreign wife stands very little chance of being accepted. The chances of a foreign wife being accepted are very small in any case. In a Saudi family the mother and sisters choose the wife for the son, Saudi families very often ”keep it in the family” and marry cousins. Maybe there was a cousin standing by already. So the son coming back having married a foreigner will encounter a lot of resentment. This resentment will be targeted towards the wife.
As men cannot do wrong in Saudi Arabia.
So  it’s the foreign wife who is to blame. For everything. Once in Saudi Arabia almost all Saudi men return to their default programming of Obeying The Family.
A very bad situation for the foreign wife.

The truth about Sharia law

Posted in Islam,religion,Uncategorized by Save the Women! on October 23, 2009

An Egyptian writer explanes Sharia  law.

If you want to call it law, I call it an unfair mix of male-favouring rules and restrictions and punishments for women.

Kuwait revokes discriminatory law

Posted in Uncategorized by Save the Women! on October 21, 2009

This is from a blog in Arabic, it is very funny, if you can read Arabic you should check it out.

The supreme court of Kuwait struck down a law from 1962 that requires approval of the husband for the wife to get a passport.
That law was deemed unconstitutional!

Maybe this change to the good has something to do with the fact that earlier this year four women were voted into the Kuwaiti parliament.

quwait parliament

This could be why the Saudi government is so set against forming any kind of constitution or laws. Any constitution which would be acceptable to the global community would open arguments like this.
After all, women have no rights  at all in Saudi Arabia and are by all intend and purpose slaves to the men in their family.
All the rules and customs enforcing Saudi slavery of women would be against any acceptable constitution.

As they are even against the rules set forth in the Quran.

Think before religion!

Posted in Cristianity,Islam,religion,Uncategorized by Save the Women! on October 21, 2009

Just feel the need to share these

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